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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and it is

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another breakdown we have two in a week

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now which i'm i'm really excited to talk

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about so some new things have happened

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in the last 24 hours or so dan how are

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we today i'm great thank you very much

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it's always nice to to wake up with a

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bunch of uap news to show on

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yeah um and i'm sorry we're not being

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introduced by some rocking organ music

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as

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that which started the ignatius forum

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our future in space and which is what

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we're going to kick off talking about

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just now um hosted by bill ignacius or

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oh wait david ignacius david ignacius

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yeah i've said i've said bill because

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you said but like yeah you said my

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mistake yeah

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yeah um and we i thought that was a joke

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so myself and dan both until seconds ago

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thought it was called the ignacious

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because it was like pretentious and it

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was insert latin word here for him but

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no it turns out that's the guy's surname

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so there we go

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powerful surname icarus ignatius you

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know it's a big sunny isn't david

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ignatius wow it's like his nickname or

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ignatius yeah what a guy but yes so this

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was um

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it wasn't overly hyped or anything we

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knew it was coming up and we saw some

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notable names were attached to it there

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was of course bill nelson nasa

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avi loeb who is heading up project

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galileo professor of science at harvard

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jeff bezos evil billionaire owner of

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name in david wilkinson uh from durham

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university uh he was talking about the

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the well he's a theologian and

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astrophysicist i forgot the english guy

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that's terrible

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nothing behind that folks but yeah

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listen i i will be honest cards on the

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table this happened hours ago and just

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first half and i've seen the stuff

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that's noteworthy and then dan's going

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to fill in the blanks for us but dan for

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a kick off what was this event and why

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event and that'll kind of give people an

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idea um because it wasn't just a uap

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space is the new frontier for humanity

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nasa is planning a new generation of

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exploration scientists are debating the

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possibility of extraterrestrial life and

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military planners are developing weapons

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rush mean at a moment when private

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citizens are launching spaceships and

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unidentified aerial phenomena as we look

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possibility of life out there mean for

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private industry it almost kind of gives

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us the answer for why now you know when

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we ask this about uh the uap news coming

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of of kind of breaking into space as the

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new frontier you know we we look back

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drake kind of you know going around the

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world and and that's in front of us for

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space we're going to get to see that

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now it started in quite a grand or the

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whole thing was hosted in quite a grand

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setting it's in a big cathedral and

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the the whole proceedings and we are

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introduction and uh of course david

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for the event and um he

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pre-recorded comments and questions to

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nasa administrator bill nelson which we

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get to um so there was a pre-recorded

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little joke about there being some time

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travel involved so i think that set the

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he spent in space and how it changed his

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perspective on the planet and he

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planet and it sort of changed his whole

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paraphrase but there are billions of

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stars in our galaxy billions and

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going around and he uh

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he said that who am i to limit right

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so bill nelson is very much nailing his

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colours to the mast recently with his

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statement and comments he seems to be

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pushing that yes there is other life

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the possibility that we may have already

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been as well done what were your

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the questioning of uh dna avril haynes

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nelson and his science when it comes to

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the search for extraterrestrial life so

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being reminded that bill nelson is

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clearly so open-minded um and doesn't

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mind talking about this stuff makes me

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realize just how normalized it's become

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um avril haynes who is currently the

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director of national intelligence for

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the us and began as a theoretical

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physicist as well

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so that's an interesting background to

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have to then be in the role that she is

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in um it seems like you're putting the

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board for whatever game might be being

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avril haynes is asked you know are your

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agencies looking for early signs of life

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out there uh and she says you know quite

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rightly that we're focused on life on

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earth but we are still exploring what

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could this domain and by that she means

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space be in the future

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comment though that i raised my eyebrows

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slightly uh and again there might be

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people listening to this who are very

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nuts and bolts and logical thinkers who

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might think i'm looking into this but

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she says things are going pretty quickly

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this decade we could see a lot of change

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that that's a pretty pretty cool

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statement to hear i'm making again

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because we're hearing people talking

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about changes and signs of life

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nice and refreshing to hear isn't it

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that a few years back we'd be chuckled

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really have a nice solid base to work

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off this conversation now and we always

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monkeys that are now wearing the tinfoil

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hat but you know look at it it's right

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in front of you the world is kind of

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normalized again there to the idea of us

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then hands over very quickly to bill

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nelson again that's another spliced in

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that will assess the question are we

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alone in the universe bill nelson goes

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telescope and its capabilities picking

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keyholes in the sky to look at that are

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going to show us the furthest reaches of

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space and time showing us back as far as

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only a couple of hundred million years

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after the initial big bang and then

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what's there picking out suns and then

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can we within those suns or in front of

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see those little black dots going across

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that would uh show signs of another

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planet being there and then also being

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able to read the chemical composition of

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those planets to work out what they're

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made up of and would they host life

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potentially like the earth he then made

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the comment you know do i think for this

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life out there yes straighten with a yes

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i cannot limit and then the other part

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of the sentence again i just can't help

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but find interesting i cannot limit this

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did you uh take note of later on where

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avila was talking about the fisherman's

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net i don't think you saw that actually

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he's talking about uh fermi and the

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fermi paradox and and how uh

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basically fermi sitting there and saying

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universe where is it it hasn't come to

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us and avi likens it to sitting on your

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sofa and you know saying that you don't

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have any neighbors because none of them

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are knocking your door he said it's

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silly if you don't go look but he kind

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the example by talking about um you know

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once there was a fisherman who who uh he

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came back with a rule after fishing he

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said that uh all fish are bigger than

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two inches and rightly so someone said

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well how how big are the holes in your

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net and they turned out to be two inches

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so avila was kind of making the

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the point that fermi was looking with

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the two inch

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whole net

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now with the james webb telescope that

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net gets even smaller so yes we can see

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further but we can also see things

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closer much much much much better

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so we're going to be able to look at all

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these star systems where we kind of have

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seen these you know you've seen them in

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the news that the super earth we find

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and you know this planet is five times

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more habitable than earth and you know

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whatever the media like to write we're

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going to be able to actually look at

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those

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with almost a finer tooth comb now and

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kind of you know we might not be able to

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have the resolution of google earth but

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we're

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exciting upgrade

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that goes almost hand in hand then again

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it goes back to avril haynes and she's

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asked about the uap task force report

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and mentions that other category

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category going through the other areas

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first and then says you know there was

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another category that is if we can't pin

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something down to be one of those

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main categories that goes into other and

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it just means we don't understand

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necessarily everything we are seeing but

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within that talks about how the

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technology that they have to study these

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things much like the telescopes we've

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had in the past

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um as an up to scratch isn't able to see

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and record the data as well as we need

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to to classify some of this stuff and

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let's be honest that doesn't mean when

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we do have that tech that we are going

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to be able to classify

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all of that um or

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able to categorize this stuff as proper

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uaps because it could very much turn out

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to be that again some of those 143 cases

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some then turn out to be drones or

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chinese tech or russian tech potentially

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but they're still going to leave a

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sizable chunk which are going to be

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truly anomalous

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yeah absolutely uh we we only need to

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look at um you know we don't tend to

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make senses for things until we realize

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that they could be there and then we

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start trying to sense them with stuff um

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and a great example of this from the

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last few years is ligo a gravitational

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wave detector i've spoken before about

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how

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you know turn the clock back 15 years

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and you'd be laughed out of a university

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saying the gravity waves exist now it's

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just a de facto thing that they exist we

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know they're there um so

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we've we're going from ligo and in a few

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years nasa will be launching lisa and

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lisa are basically three satellites that

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will orbit the earth and they'll kind of

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make a you know a triangular

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constellation and between all of them

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they will make up a sensor that detects

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gravity waves so we're going from

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something that's you know a few

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kilometers long on the surface of the

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earth where we've got all sorts of noise

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that we have to sort out to put it in

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the vacuum of space and having it much

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more sensitive

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that kind of progression you know it's

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happening it's happening in a lot of

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places at once so we're going to start

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seeing things very differently soon i

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think

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haines meant to choke on the word

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extraterrestrial the first time she said

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it did you notice that i did yeah um

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what was the sentence she said uh

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there's always the question of is this

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something else that we simply do not

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understand that might come extra extra

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extra terrestrially that was she

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that's the word to be nervous about

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right but yeah wow she's the director of

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national intelligence

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alluded that it could be something

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extraterrestrial that's a i don't think

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it was necessarily the gravity of the

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word she was using i think she just it

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was a big word extraterrestrially

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you know that's a hard one to say but

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it's it's a hell of a word to be coming

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out the mouth of the dni

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over biden running away from the podium

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you know yeah and let's be honest the

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only time we ever hear extraterrestrial

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or at again in the past and this is what

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we're trying to state here the gravity

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of this

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this talk and the setting and the people

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being used as it's usually in a jokey

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comment or a throwaway line about what

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do you think it's some sort of

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extraterrestrial ha ha ha ha ha and

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everyone in the press room laughs and no

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we've got some serious people having

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really serious conversations and then

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throwing in that you know what

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extraterrestrial as a serious

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possibility for what may

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constitute some of those sightings and

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some of those uh

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events that are happening with the us

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navy the us air force and others as well

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bill nelson also talks about us going

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back to the moon to allow us to get to

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mars more efficiently and bill nelson

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basically says that going to mars will

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help us understand who we are what was

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before us and potentially what will be

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in the future again interesting comments

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then

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yeah um just i'm just going to touch on

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something that avril haynes said just

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before i talk about that just that when

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she was talking about the different

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categories and how things end up in

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other we we've

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discussed in the community a bit whether

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they were kind of deductive categories

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or whether at any point something could

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go in any of the categories um and in

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this conversation she actually makes the

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point of no no we we've been through all

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of those categories and now it's another

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it's not a case of oh we just don't know

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what it is so it's none of those it's

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another um it's been judged to not be

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anything other than other i've said

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other too much

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other yeah

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um

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yeah bill nelson also mentioned about

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how the us and russia have a really

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great relationship working together in

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space which i thought was interesting uh

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he he was down about the prospects of

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china you know joining the cooperation

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um but

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that's a lot more positive than people

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would think right you know you wouldn't

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kind of get that kind of

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yeah we're working together from from

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biden for example um they're able to

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stay outside of that political sphere

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and say okay you know how can we we make

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the world better together um

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oh we'll settle this playstation aside

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just yesterday the um us and china have

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agreed to work together on one of their

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climate protocols or climate change

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bills so again you're seeing

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movement outside of the normal political

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spectrum as presidents and leaders stand

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on podiums and need to talk down about

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each other's countries because of

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various different issues but it looks

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like there are some areas that they can

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get behind each other and talk uh it

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tends to be more in the areas of science

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which is great to see um absolutely and

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this is all happening in the age of

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communication where you know the

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governments can't really some

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governments do they try and limit

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communication of their people but you

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know people tend to find a way and it's

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inevitable that you know we're all going

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to be communicating freely

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what that struggle will look like i

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don't know but

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i i think eventually you know you'll be

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able to see

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top secret scientists from china working

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with top secret american scientists and

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russian scientists and yeah

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and all sorts of countries that we

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probably haven't heard about as well

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so dan this is where i tap out because i

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haven't seen the rest of this

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conversation just between work and

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everything else i've only managed to see

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so much

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now jeff bezos from amazon was up but i

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think like you mentioned earlier this

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was not strictly a conference to talk

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about uaps this was very much about our

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future in space jeff bezos along with

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richard branson and elon musk have all

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and their own vehicles recently had

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various escapades off to orbit space

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depending on the your definition of

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space some of them may have reached it

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some of them may have not but obviously

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jeff bezos given that recent achievement

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has a place in this conversation um

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maybe looking at a more commercialized

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space travel as well so what was jeff

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bezos saying from what you managed to

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gather

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so i mean i've got to mention his

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incredible quote of

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um this is the most precious planet in

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the world that that they were the words

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of jesus okay jeff bezos um available as

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um he was talking about the overview

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effect and how he basically wasn't ready

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to feel what he felt when he saw a

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fragile world beneath him basically um

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again it makes me think of contact and

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the rich people going to space and and

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realizing what good they can do um

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hopefully

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jeff will

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you know help a little bit more and and

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stop his work as having to be in bottles

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and so on so forth i mean dan he he

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could have gone to space and had a

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moment of epiphany and thought you know

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what everyone gets free amazon prime

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from that one everyone pays for

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deliveries but he didn't he went up

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there and thought my god that's a

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beautiful world down there

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anyway it's still 7.99 a month i mean

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why he was up there for four seconds

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that that's you know not a lot of time

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to think about it i guess

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um avril did mention um as well

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she said

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she spoke about

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needing to establish frameworks for the

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kind of the

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the way ahead and she spoke about how

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earth and space aren't disconnected

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domains um that made me think of trans

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medium travel vehicles um i i just

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thought i'd mention that because she

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seemed you know

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if they joined domains inevitably we're

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going to want vehicles that can operate

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in both um and and you know we we might

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note some places where that technology

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could maybe be found

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well

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we we'd have to uh

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i guess get the get the raffle up to a

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couple of million and then ask lou

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alexander

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the jeff bezos also said he he was asked

553
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:57,039
about e.t coming here to visit um and he

554
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,240
made a pretty

555
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,960
damning statement um he said

556
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:03,679
have we been visited by the extra solar

557
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,640
intelligences i very much doubt that so

558
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,240
for anyone curious whether he was going

559
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,480
to start funding the galileo project it

560
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,919
seems like no

561
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,440
unfortunately

562
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,200
um but you know you never know these

563
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,120
events he he was there mixing with all

564
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,760
the people who could you know pitch this

565
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,760
research in the correct way so who knows

566
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,760
what happens the the expanse was saved

567
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:25,520
because they were at a party with jeff

568
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:26,559
so

569
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,080
day

570
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,679
let me let me just ask you on that do

571
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:33,039
you think there's this automatic

572
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,720
assumption that when people reach that

573
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,440
elite status like a jeff bezos an elon

574
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,000
musk a richard branson that they must be

575
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,200
in on all sorts of secrets fundamental

576
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,440
to our planet or otherwise and they

577
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,880
would know all this information so

578
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,440
people get surprised when they

579
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,000
poo poo or ridicule the ideas of 80s

580
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,679
because you think they would know but is

581
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:55,679
it just a case of these guys at the end

582
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,559
of the day are are very much businessmen

583
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,360
and unless you're a bob bigelow type you

584
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,400
don't necessarily

585
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,720
care about et because it's not making

586
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,720
you money yeah exactly they're happy to

587
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,559
just run their businesses as they do

588
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,559
with with bigelow as well you know if

589
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,840
you listen to the mystery wire

590
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,159
interviews with him he outright says

591
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,880
that his goal for going into real estate

592
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,559
was to get enough money to investigate

593
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,559
the phenomena this wasn't something that

594
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,080
crapped up in his life and you know he

595
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,880
was this big successful businessman and

596
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,880
then it came along you know from an

597
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,360
early age he he saw the opportunity to

598
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,480
to invest money in the research um and

599
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,840
you know

600
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,520
whether you agree with how he went about

601
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,919
that or not he he was a pioneer

602
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,159
yeah

603
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,640
david wilkinson was super interesting to

604
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,159
listen to he was talking about the

605
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,720
phenomena in well space and the

606
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,320
exploration of space and the possibility

607
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,840
of e.t

608
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,720
um

609
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,280
through the lens of religion

610
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,039
and kind of

611
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,520
trying to explain that

612
00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:59,760
it's not the religion thinks that we are

613
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,039
special it's that we see ourselves as

614
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,520
loved and therefore we are special and

615
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,039
basically any other extraterrestrial

616
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,960
civilization would also fall under that

617
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,960
remit so it doesn't really go against

618
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:13,039
anything that you know they speak about

619
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:14,240
anyway

620
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,880
um

621
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,280
he made a very profound quote as well he

622
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,760
said science is thinking god's thoughts

623
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,600
after him which

624
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,600
you know it sounds big and broad but all

625
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,600
it's really saying is that you know

626
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,120
we're finding the mechanisms of the

627
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,360
universe after they've been made by

628
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,760
whatever natural force made them uh

629
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,320
interesting way to think about it then

630
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,000
once he made that point

631
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,960
uh avila responded by by reminding

632
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,200
people that the root word of galileo

633
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,440
comes from galilee in israel

634
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,520
and if you look up the rendezvous with

635
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,039
rama

636
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,440
there's a very special cylinder in in

637
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,679
that uh book and the cylinder is

638
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,840
basically spoiler

639
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,440
alien starship

640
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,440
um so it was interesting to hear abby

641
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,120
points out hey there are there are

642
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,039
basically tic tacs in these ancient

643
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,760
religious texts um

644
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,919
he doesn't seem quite as

645
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,679
closed off to that kind of thing as i i

646
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,039
think people may have

647
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,559
surmised

648
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,600
do you know what i'm pleasantly

649
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,159
surprised from seeing avi on joe rogan

650
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,320
at the start of the year and then we

651
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,200
spoke to avi less than a week later and

652
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,280
he's been on the podcast again since and

653
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,440
seeing him on various other appearances

654
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,919
he's done he has really come out in his

655
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,280
conversation

656
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,760
and and carried on as as he is he

657
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:31,520
started to be honest he's been quite

658
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,840
open-minded and i think even letting

659
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,120
people like louis ondo chris melon nick

660
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,679
pope seth shawstak and there's names

661
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,520
there that are divisive for various

662
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,039
different reasons

663
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,120
but he still seems quite open to help

664
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,520
and support and getting a few different

665
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:51,919
minds all looking at this which ultim

666
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,039
ultimately we can hope is no bad thing

667
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,919
yeah for sure he he explains that

668
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,520
you know the data that they gather is

669
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,960
the data that they gather it's going to

670
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,960
belong to different fields of science

671
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,240
this isn't something he's going to be

672
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,080
studying in a vacuum and science doesn't

673
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,799
work that way anyway um so he was

674
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,080
basically saying that you know if he

675
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,720
gets data on birds that perhaps that

676
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,080
branch of science doesn't have he'll

677
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,919
give that data to them same with you

678
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,679
know aquatic life and things like that

679
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:18,400
so

680
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,080
a really valuable project even even if

681
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,640
it doesn't find uap stuff i i think avi

682
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,400
will soon be able to justify hey we

683
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,840
should put these cameras everywhere at

684
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,520
all times because we're finding a lot of

685
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,520
exciting stuff here

686
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,000
absolutely was there any more you've got

687
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,840
as takeaways then dan from the

688
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,600
conference before we move on

689
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,400
uh no i mean only to link it to you know

690
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,559
the the gila brand amendment which is

691
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,480
what we're about to talk about next

692
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,400
well do you know what just before we do

693
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,919
i just want to mention something else

694
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:51,600
from this week that got a lot of people

695
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:54,720
talking and uh speculating was louis

696
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,279
lozando had some media appearances

697
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,440
booked in on various podcasts and other

698
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,360
things that he usually does and they

699
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,120
were all cancelled and i think people

700
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,679
immediately jumped to various different

701
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,919
rumors and whatnot some about his health

702
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,080
but lou came out quite quickly to quash

703
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,440
that so if you've not been on social

704
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,760
media or you've not seen too many of

705
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,480
these news and rumors then uh lou has

706
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,159
said himself he hasn't he has in good

707
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,320
health it's not to do with his health um

708
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,919
he has had his health issues recently

709
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,760
but this was just very much there's some

710
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,000
other things going on and it meant he

711
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,080
had to pull the media appearances for

712
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,159
the for the near future and that was all

713
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,600
there really was to it wasn't it then

714
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,039
there was a little a little extra

715
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,960
breadcrumb that people might like there

716
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,080
um

717
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,320
someone responded to that message of you

718
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,000
know just letting everyone know he was

719
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,440
okay uh by saying what is your favorite

720
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,080
song um and lou responded saying

721
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,640
listening to who made who by ac dc at

722
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,440
the moment um he says choosing the songs

723
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,039
pretty hard but have a look at the

724
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,919
lyrics for who made who by ac dc um and

725
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:58,000
i think you'll be a little excited by

726
00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,120
that

727
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,039
to go and check out and also uh the

728
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,960
other thing that dropped yesterday was

729
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,840
chris mellon writing it on his blog uh

730
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,360
which you'll you'll find the link for in

731
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,440
the description to the show or if you

732
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,039
check out chris mellon's twitter account

733
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,360
you'll see the link on there and that is

734
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,360
on the the gila brand amendment that we

735
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,039
talked about on the last breakdown dan

736
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,039
wasn't it it's i'm just going to correct

737
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,799
you there because i i had this learned

738
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,120
this week we we recorded a whole show

739
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,880
and i must have said gilbert and a whole

740
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,799
bunch but it's like gift jiff it's

741
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:30,159
gillibrand

742
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,960
ah

743
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,799
but we have said this before haven't we

744
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,880
with some of the the americans or names

745
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,960
of the year

746
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,279
yeah also gillibrand uh apologies for

747
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,039
anyone if that's her name out there um

748
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,039
so yeah the gillibrand amendment just a

749
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,880
very quick reminder dan what is the gila

750
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,039
brand amendment all about so the general

751
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:48,799
brand amendment was basically an

752
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,760
amendment to the ndaa this comes from

753
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,520
the armed services committee as opposed

754
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,240
to the uh the iaa which is the senate

755
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,720
committee um and

756
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,720
we've seen it previously with uh ruben

757
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,640
gallagher um

758
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,159
apologies from pronounce the surname

759
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,440
wrong but

760
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,000
he he put forth an amendment to the ndaa

761
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,679
that specified a few things like

762
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,080
biological effects and and proposed some

763
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,840
different kind of

764
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,440
length of time for for when they're

765
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,600
submitting the reports and

766
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,279
senator joel brand has actually gone a

767
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,960
lot further

768
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,880
and she's proposed setting up not only

769
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,600
an office but also an advisory committee

770
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:27,679
to that office to act as an interface

771
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,799
for for public input and output um

772
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,880
and you know propose that these things

773
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,720
be funded for a whole four years

774
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,200
properly um

775
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:39,120
and yeah it was super interesting there

776
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,559
were two things we didn't speak about

777
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,559
pre on the previous breakdown and that

778
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,279
is that it specifies that they should

779
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,200
the congress should be informed of any

780
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,399
uh

781
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,440
any

782
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,080
progress on capturing or exploiting the

783
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,240
technology um

784
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,080
which is you know i i worry that we're

785
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,520
being a little provocative towards it

786
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,480
sometimes um but also to set up actual

787
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:02,559
proper field investigations

788
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,360
so

789
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,360
i imagine that's the kind of thing that

790
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,440
was going on when they people rocked up

791
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,880
onto the nimitz and took all the data

792
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,919
that would have been a field

793
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,919
investigation team that was set up and

794
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,679
ready to go that had all these sensors

795
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,200
that knew you know these things were

796
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:16,720
coming um

797
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,760
but whoever that was we we do not know

798
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:22,080
yeah two things i took from the article

799
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,440
which again the first one sort of

800
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:25,120
explains about the gillibrand amendment

801
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,840
and

802
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,320
increases words white so important uh

803
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,320
obviously when and this is me quoting

804
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,760
obviously when the info doesn't reach

805
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,000
the uap task force it isn't likely to

806
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,320
get to congress either the gila brand

807
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,080
amendment helps to address this problem

808
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,080
by clarifying and expanding the

809
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,399
definition of uap and covering the

810
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,399
scenarios where the task force is denied

811
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,960
access due to classification

812
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,279
this is pointing at the issues the task

813
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,279
force had in going around those various

814
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,799
departments and actually getting the

815
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,279
information that was required to try and

816
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,600
do its job well which we all known is

817
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,360
very well documented

818
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,440
what i found most interesting from this

819
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,600
dan and you can tell me if you think um

820
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,200
i'm reading into this the wrong way i'll

821
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,640
read the quote first and then ask you a

822
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,039
question okay it is public knowledge

823
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,559
that i worked patiently for months with

824
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:12,880
louis elizondo the osd official

825
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,240
responsible for the uap issue in 2017 to

826
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,159
try to get this issue taken seriously

827
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,559
within the department it was only when

828
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,799
that failed that mr elizondo and i chose

829
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,039
to stick our necks out by taking the uap

830
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,760
videos and the uap issue to the press

831
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,320
and to congress i hope the senate armed

832
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,399
services and intelligence committees

833
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,640
will again assert themselves recognizing

834
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,840
that although dod and the ic are replete

835
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,240
with smart and patriotic people it is

836
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,240
generally difficult if not impossible

837
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,720
for that rigid and colossal structure to

838
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,360
reorganize itself from within

839
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,240
is this a threat that others could break

840
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,480
ranks and potentially come forward with

841
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,520
more information yeah absolutely and and

842
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,520
i think this is what uh chris is getting

843
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,360
at with chris's last article i remember

844
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,440
saying that it's not into us it's aimed

845
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,640
at the people who are reading these

846
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,840
bills and are going to make up their

847
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,039
mind but they're going to vote on it and

848
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,039
this feels exactly the same

849
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,480
you know the senators of the audience

850
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:10,960
for this and and when you read it

851
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,480
it gives real kind of

852
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:16,480
it drives home how much interest there

853
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,919
is in this anyway um you know the

854
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,440
language seems to be coming from a lot

855
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,200
of different places now as opposed to

856
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:24,720
you know just kind of them setting the

857
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,909
people ask why now this is this is why

858
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,520
you know they they may not be

859
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,200
whistleblowers by the legal definition

860
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:36,720
because they're not doing what edward

861
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,919
snowden did but they're doing it in a

862
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,760
sensible way within the frameworks that

863
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,279
have been set up so that we can deal

864
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,720
with this properly

865
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,480
um

866
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,480
they're doing in a clever way in a way

867
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,000
that they know what they're saying they

868
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,399
know why they're saying it and they know

869
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,320
they're not going to get into trouble

870
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,399
by doing it this way and that's why

871
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,880
people ask why can why can such and such

872
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,600
say say one thing but not another and

873
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,919
that doesn't affect their nda well

874
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,679
that's because they're allowed to say

875
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,559
certain things when it's opinion again i

876
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,480
i don't doubt sometimes people give us

877
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,480
quotes or comments or breadcrumbs if you

878
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,200
want to call them that that are

879
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,399
shrouded or wrapped with a little bit of

880
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,559
untruth or a little bit of false

881
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,480
information but the bulk of it is

882
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,440
correct but just by giving us that

883
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,679
20 mistruth

884
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,519
it allows them to get more information

885
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,559
out there

886
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,480
and that's that's a good way to start a

887
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,039
conversation as well yeah for sure and

888
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,760
and i remember when the preliminary ua

889
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,080
ptf report was released and and a lot of

890
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,080
people were dissatisfied with it but

891
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,960
that disaster dissatisfaction

892
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,880
has clearly played into the language

893
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,960
that we're seeing in this amendment

894
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,440
they they now know you know before they

895
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,799
didn't even know they wanted a uav

896
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,519
report now they know what they want uap

897
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,919
report to start looking like and that

898
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,080
with the german amendment includes a

899
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,360
public unclassified report um you know

900
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,960
we we gotta start somewhere but if you

901
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,399
disagree with the language get in touch

902
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,320
with your officials tell them that we we

903
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,240
can make another amendment this is the

904
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,039
whole process um but you've got to speak

905
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,880
to the the people who can actually

906
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,440
affect that change one one thing i found

907
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,720
interesting was where chris spoke about

908
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,000
the fact that

909
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,919
a lot of departments are reluctant to

910
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:25,840
spend money on uap research because it's

911
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,120
not specified in the language um and

912
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,039
that's just that's such a typical red

913
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,399
tape thing right everyone wants to do

914
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,000
the work but because the word isn't on

915
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,600
the page they're like oh we might get in

916
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,760
trouble for using the money for that um

917
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,760
this fixes that

918
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,919
yeah and i think and finishing up as

919
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,720
well that with the

920
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,399
the amount of people now coming out and

921
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,440
seemingly supporting uep or ufo

922
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,279
investigations however you want to work

923
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,399
that uh and the why now question i think

924
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,399
a lot of it is down to these

925
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,640
politicians and high-ranking officials

926
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,120
and senators and congressmen and women

927
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,600
they are seeing these these videos and

928
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,360
photographs that we aren't they're

929
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,519
seeing the 23-minute video they're

930
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,000
seeing the video of the object 50 feet

931
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,840
from the craft all that stuff that or

932
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,440
from the aircraft that lou talked about

933
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:15,760
in his gq article just recently as well

934
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,799
so the 23 minutes of of sci-fi that we

935
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,480
hear about you know

936
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,039
people like rubio warner gillibrand and

937
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,559
others they're coming out of briefings

938
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,159
having saw this

939
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,320
yet it's frustrating we aren't seeing it

940
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,720
but right now these people are able to

941
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,720
make bigger moves and we are we can help

942
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,480
and support and make noise

943
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,840
but ultimately they are going to open

944
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,880
the doors

945
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,559
to allow these these to move forward and

946
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,120
the big ways that we need so um if that

947
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,039
has to keep happening for now then great

948
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,720
if anyone wants to send us anonymously

949
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,880
one of those 23 minute videos or or

950
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,600
footage of a you know an f-18 pilot with

951
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,000
a huge ufo next to his craft then please

952
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,720
be my guest we'll keep it secret

953
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,080
until then dan it's been good having

954
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,799
another uh another breakdown yeah it's

955
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:00,240
been great

956
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,440
helped me understand this a little bit

957
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,640
more as well and again thanks to

958
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,399
everyone else getting in touch asking

959
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,000
for our thoughts and we will speak to

960
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,480
you soon that is all for this week's

961
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,720
show thank you very much for listening

962
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,560
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00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:39,440
folks as always keep looking up you

974
00:35:05,190 --> 00:34:42,030
never know what you might see

975
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:08,440
but i'd had some champagne

976
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,750
i can't imagine how it could have been

977
00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:21,359
any better i got to the top of the

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[Music]

979
00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:44,710
my boys they thought this was noise they

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[Music]

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and what's that